In today's episode of 'should I buy'

"CAR_IS_MI" (car-is-mi) 01/06/2016 at 22:40 • Filed to: None

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Also known as Mr.theEngineer makes bad decisions with his money...

2008 MB S63AMG 81k clean everything air suspension, Harmon Kardon, heated and cooled front and rear seats, massage seats, night vision, etc etc.

it would be my semi daily driver.

bob and john > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 22:52

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just get a 9 year old aston with a unlimited mile 1 year warrenty

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 22:53

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Whats going on with those wheels though

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:00

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Yes.

JGrabowMSt > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:01

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S65 or bust.

AM3R shamefully returns > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:03

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Find a stock one, these depreciate pretty nicely so you can get a nice one for pretty cheap. The S63 really isn’t all that crazy, many people are daily driving their C63’s to 70k+ without any huge problem. My Indy is a Euro guy and bought one with a fucked suspension for really cheap, fixed it up and now it's his daily driver. I posted a picture of it way back.

Vicente Esteve > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:04

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This gen. S Class is my favourite, so of course I’d say this is the right choice.

CAR_IS_MI > bob and john 01/06/2016 at 23:05

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not until I sell the Ferrari. And I think a Viper is next.

CAR_IS_MI > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 01/06/2016 at 23:05

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Yeah. the only down side. I mean they are not horrible, but not great either.

CAR_IS_MI > JGrabowMSt 01/06/2016 at 23:06

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Sadly, I’ve only had 1 S65 come through in the past year and a half and it was pretty beat.

CAR_IS_MI > AM3R shamefully returns 01/06/2016 at 23:07

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Yea this is a “cheap” one as I buy almost everything at auction.

CAR_IS_MI > Vicente Esteve 01/06/2016 at 23:08

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I prefer the interior on the new S class but I wont complain about this one...

jkm7680 > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:08

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Probably a repo from a pro basketball player who got cut the same year he started playimg.

CAR_IS_MI > jkm7680 01/06/2016 at 23:13

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lol. It’s not.

bob and john > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:17

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no.

sportsbike.

THEN go ham on the cars

jkm7680 > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:17

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I also can't spell at the current time, apparantly. :p

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:22

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Brah. V12 or nuthin. But seriously, go for a S600 or S65

Vicente Esteve > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:23

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This gen. was my first encounter with an S-Class so its special to me.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:33

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Early M156’s have head bolt, cam, and cam adjuster issues, FYI. Pretty sweet rides though.

CAR_IS_MI > bob and john 01/06/2016 at 23:34

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thats in the works too...

CAR_IS_MI > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 01/06/2016 at 23:36

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Are there any tell tale signs for these issues?

bob and john > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:36

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just w/e you do, dont get a Z1000 or a daytona 675R

because i still havent made up my mind which one I want

CAR_IS_MI > bob and john 01/06/2016 at 23:37

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lol. had a 675. LOVE that bike. but I’ve been eyeing the RSV1000 recently.

bob and john > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:42

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I love it too...but it has 2 BIG draw backs for me atm:
1: supersport: insurance will be stupid
and 2: its britsh...i intend on using this as a daily bike, a sportsbike, and some light touring (1000 miles twice a year for school)

and british reliability is...eehhhhhhh

CAR_IS_MI > bob and john 01/06/2016 at 23:45

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I put over 10k on mine without issues (other than those caused by my 2 accidents)

Nibby > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:50

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can you buy me an S550 please? thanks <3

bob and john > CAR_IS_MI 01/06/2016 at 23:51

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yea...i’m proabbly going to do something closer to 20K a year....and I need the bike to last for a good 4-5 years at least.

AM3R shamefully returns > CAR_IS_MI 01/07/2016 at 00:14

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Get rid of those wheels and I bet you'll have a keeper. While the engine is a beast, it really isn't all that exotic, and it's been in use for a while so you should be good.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CAR_IS_MI 01/07/2016 at 00:15

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Not for the head bolts. When they go the head gasket will leak coolant into the oil. There is an updated part and they can be replaced one at a time without having to remove the heads. Saves a lot of money in parts and labor.

Cams and adjusters make noise when they start going bad. The cam lobes wear out and tick, rather loudly at times. Adjusters make a similar noise but rarely cause any problems other than annoyance.

Cams have to come out to replace head bolts and can be inspected/replaced then without any extra labor.

CAR_IS_MI > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 01/07/2016 at 00:49

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so would a light ticking similar to what is heard on many imports deemed to be “injector tick” normal for these engines?

When I looked over this one no noise could be heard from the outside when running, a very light tick was heard while running with the hood open. It was also a little light on coolant.

I pulled the oil cap to check for signs of sludge, there were none, and the oil I could see looked like used oil, not coffee milk like it gets when the head gasket is blown. I didn’t check the dip stick or the coolant reservoir, but I will check both for signs of mixtures.

As always, I appreciate your info and assistance.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CAR_IS_MI 01/07/2016 at 03:11

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Potentially, though not necessarily. Their injectors can be easily heard. When the cams are worn they’re typically loud and a bit deeper in tone than an injector tick.

When the head bolts go it’s all or nothing, so to speak, so a little light on coolant isn’t really a head bolt indicator.

Other than those issues these are very tough engines and only very rarely suffer from any other major issues. Sludge is not something I’ve seen on one of these, even from excessive intervals (but I haven’t seen anyone go more than about 15-18k between services).

Happy to help. Shoot me the VIN if you want, I will try to remember to check it’s dealer service history, maybe someone has already done those repairs.

AtomicDongo > CAR_IS_MI 01/07/2016 at 06:26

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A neighbor of mine bought a 2008 S500 W221 used in 2011, and unlike the W220 2004 S500 he used to own, it’s actually been reliable. They ditched the overly complicated and hideously expensive to fix ABC hydraulic suspension for a more simpler Airmatic setup (Standard air suspension) as well as upping the quality of components used in the construction of the vehicle. Apart from changing tires, and regular service intervals. Nothing has broken apart and everything still works, including the seat massage function as well as the radar guided cruise control or DISTRONIC. He recently sold it for a brand new W222 S400 Hybrid.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > CAR_IS_MI 01/07/2016 at 10:05

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I think what you want is an RS7, or an Equus. Probably an Equus.

CAR_IS_MI > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 01/07/2016 at 17:08

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AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CAR_IS_MI 01/07/2016 at 21:22

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No head bolts, cams or adjusters, but otherwise excellent history. Intake gaskets, fuel pumps, ABC pulsation dampers, lots of full services, many of which were early, and the list goes on for about ten pages. The only other thing I didn’t see was transmission service, which should be done every 40k. It was under warranty until 4/30/2014 so almost anything it needed was done.

CAR_IS_MI > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 01/07/2016 at 21:38

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Thats awesome news and builds my faith in this one a lot. Thanks for the info.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CAR_IS_MI 01/07/2016 at 22:48

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Anytime.

CAR_IS_MI > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 02/17/2016 at 11:32

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So... If the head bolts need replaced, and the vehicle has begun leaking or burning coolant, should the head gasket be replaced?

I don’t know for certain that this is happening, but I got the dreaded low coolant message, I checked, it’s not very low, only a few oz, so I’m going to top it off and keep an eye.

If it is a concern and I need to swap the bolts, just the bolts, I’m okay with that, but if its one of those, pull the motor and rebuild concerns, I’m just going to get rid of this one.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CAR_IS_MI 02/17/2016 at 16:16

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If the bolts are just starting to go and the head gasket isn’t leaking then you can do just the bolts without removing the heads, one bolt at a time. When they go it’s typically all or nothing and then you have 20qts of chocolate milkshake in the engine. I haven’t seen one cause a complete rebuild.

If the bolts have failed and you have a Dairy Queen trying to open up shop in your engine then the head gaskets will need to be replaced. But this does not require engine removal or a rebuild. The labor is about double compared to just doing the bolts. A lot of people do just the bolts preventatively.

A quick coming system pressure test and oil level/quality check should tell you pretty quickly what you’re dealing with. Hopefully it’s something simple.

How are you enjoying it otherwise?

CAR_IS_MI > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 02/17/2016 at 18:51

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Yeah I checked the oil level and mixture immediately no signs of coolant in the oil, no dq , no signs of leak at the head, at least on the outside (can’t see under the intake) no I erase in oil level.

Otherwise loving the car, contemplating keeping it longterm and doing some weistec upgrades

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CAR_IS_MI 02/18/2016 at 02:31

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Awesome. Sounds like you should be ok, at least for now.

Nice. I’m glad you’re liking it. If you decide to do headers down the road don’t cheap out and get ones without oxygen sensor bungs or run without O2's (yes, some people do this). Good never comes of it.